Lurker > Mr Lasastryke

Tom Bombadil posted...

I talked to my literature buff friend and he said that Dune is a good bit better in context of the series.

did he say how good the first one is, compared to the others?
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i've always wanted to get into dune. my dad and a good friend of mine are super into the books.

the "emo rand in space" description pretty much guarantees i'm never go to try it, though.
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Vlado posted...

Nope, they simply saw that their lives got worse in result of "diversity," so they turned to the only party at least naming the problem.

so why didn't i ever vote for wilders or baudet? did my life magically not get "ruined" by the terribleness of immigration?

You probably believe Putin is a dictator merely a step below Hitler and Stalin, too, when in reality he's considerably more liberal than the average Russian. Too much propaganda, too little independent thought.

i mean, i can't think of many "centrists" who regularly link to breitbart on their twitter.
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Vlado posted...

Trump is a fucking centrist.

lol, i wish. trump is alt-right, not centrist.
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Vlado posted...

As for your country, if Wilders is getting more popular, evidently you're not doing a very good job with immigration.

wilders and baudet getting more popular is because we have a bunch of xenophobic assholes in this country. unfortunately this has been a trend here since janmaat came to prominence in the '80s.

aside from that, if immigration has "ruined" my country shouldn't wilders be leading the country by now? he's been active in dutch politics for decades.
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Vlado posted...

If you haven't noticed the crazy divide in that country, which was further exemplified with Trump's election and the frenzy it threw the democrats in, you're living under a rock.

i agree that trump is an incredibly divisive and polarizing president. that's trump's fault, though, not the immigrants'.
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Vlado posted...

EVERY FUCKING WEEK we've got several murders, stabbings, acid attacks, etc. in Europe, and you still refuse to admit the facts.

we both live in europe. would you say our countries are "ruined" by diversity? i still think my country is the best country in the world, personally.
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Vlado posted...

I have posted a number of studies that point out "diversity" destroys trust between members of society and thus the harm is immeasurable, but you just choose to ignore the facts.

so is the US already ruined by diversity?
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Vlado posted...

Oh, so you disagree with one of the reasons he gave, therefore all the other reasons he gave are also invalid? lol

how the fuck did you get this from my post? i didn't even say whether or not i agree with him that taxpayers shouldn't bail out big banks (spoilers: i agree, at least in principle), i'm saying it's completely irrelevant to the whole "diversity" debate.

here, let me break down tucker's video for you:

80%: completely irrelevant stuff that has nothing to do with diversity
20%: insanely dumb "arguments" (i use the term loosely) like "diversity is bad in the military therefore the united states having diversity is also bad" and "diversity is bad because you need to have stuff in common with your neighbor."
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Vlado posted...

lmfao, imagine believing globalists (of which banks are a major part) do not push for "diversity."

even entertaining your usual "globalists" nonsense (notice that tucker never actually uses this word), you can't say "diversity is bad because globalists like it and they believe bad stuff (like 'taxpayers should bail out big banks')."

if a nazi likes FFVII, you can't say "FFVII is a bad game because a nazi likes it and he sucks." that's not how it works.
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is tucker seriously arguing "DIVERSITY DOESN'T WORK IN THE MILITARY SO OBVIOUSLY IT DOESN'T WORK FOR THE UNITED STATES EITHER"? jesus christ what a fucking dumbass.

also, most of his points (like "taxpayers shouldn't be forced to bail out banks") have nothing to do with whether or not "diversity is strength" is true.
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Vlado posted...

And Tucker dismantles ridiculous globalist "diversity is strength" narrative, pointing out with concrete examples how immigration leads to US' ruin.

immigration is the reason the US exists in the first place.
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Vlado posted...

You can only play dumb for so long, man.

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2018/02/4/1515684414-not-an-argument.jpg
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how is kneeling anymore "explicit" than standing up? it's not like the kneelers are yelling "THE US GOVERNMENT SUCKS BECAUSE OF SYSTEMATIC RACISM" when they're kneeling.
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sure it is, BECAUSE it is in this context. it's showing respect to the flag/the national anthem/the (government of the) united states/etc, in the same way that kneeling down is showing disrespect to these things. like, if standing up is completely meaningless then kneeling down should be meaningless too.

standing up is not "doing something" in the context of "me standing up in my bedroom," no. but it is in the context we're talking about.
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Vlado posted...

Your stance (that kneeling is the same as not doing anything)

that's not what i said? i said kneeling and standing up (spoilers: that's also doing something) during the national anthem are both political stances. then you went "standing up is not a political stance because it's normal" and then i went "that's nonsensical; political stances can be both normal and abnormal." then you went "well, one stance is more valid than the other" and i went "that may be so, but that's irrelevant to whether it's a political stance or not" (hence moving the goalposts).
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Vlado posted...

You realise that my statement still stands. To take things to the extreme, a politician that campaigns on launching nukes and killing everyone is not in any shape or form as valid as a normal, e.g. nationalist politician.

you're moving the goalposts now. you went "a normal stance is not political," i went "it can be" and now you're going "it's more valid than an abnormal stance." that may be so, but that doesn't mean it's not political. you can say nationalism is "normal" and "valid" but it's still a political school of thought.
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Vlado posted...

Bullshit! It's truly anti-intellectual to equate normal behaviour with abnormal behaviour.

political stances can be both normal and abnormal. just because neoconservatism is more normal ("norm-al" - as in following the norm) than libertarianism doesn't mean one is a political school of thought and the other is not.
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also, even if you're against the kneeling, lol @ extrapolating "the left ruins everything" from this one thing. "the left has ruined football! this totally means they're wrong about helping the poor being a good thing, too!"
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spoilers: standing up during the national anthem is taking a political stance too.

if ben is arguing that we should skip the whole national anthem thing and just get to the football i'd agree.
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Vlado posted...

If you choose ignorance over knowledge, that is, again, your problem.

it's more like choosing knowledge over alt-right propaganda.
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Vlado posted...

Again, that's your problem.

it's my "problem" that you're doing a terrible job convincing me of your point? i don't have a problem with this. i'm totally fine with not being convinced.
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XIII_rocks posted...

Breitbart or not he linked to a source that includes a fact

Breitbart almost certainly distorted said fact and misrepresented it but unless you're denying that it actually happened then prepare a counter to it (if you're going to actually engage Vlado, that is - which you will do because you are fucking addled). I think you should link to more reputable news sources than somewhere like that but you can corroborate or get the other side of said story yourself. This is just childish shit.

How are you losing to Vlado? Just fucking stop.

me: *doesn't waste time on a post that tries to make a point while linking to a laughably terrible source like breitbart*
xic: OMG THIS IS CHILDISH SHIT YOU'RE LOSING TO VLADO
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Vlado posted...

For what purpose? If you think Breitbart might be lying about something, it's YOUR problem, so YOU look up extra sources. I'm not supposed to be doing your homework for you.

for the purpose of you convincing me of whatever you're trying to convince me of? if you link to breitbart, i'm immediately going to dismiss what you're saying.
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Vlado posted...

The source does not matter when it comes to factual information. If we're talking speculations and commentary, sure, but in this case it's a fact that I posted.

then link to a different source than breitbart.
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Vlado posted...

More like, lol people who dismiss facts because they don't like the source.

some sources cannot be trusted. breitbart is absolutely one of them.
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Vlado posted...

Very nice!

https://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/08/30/mediterranean-free-migrant-transport-ngo-ships-legal-battles-mount/

as always, lol breitbart
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Vlado posted...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6109821/Facebook-staff-call-firms-intolerant-liberal-culture.html

ok full throttle
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search results are supposed to represent the most popular/searched for sites. as much as you may love breitbart, it's way lesser known than fox. so is "john's super duper leftist blog about politics," for that matter, which is why that doesn't show up either despite being leftist.
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breitbart doesn't show up for me at all but i doubt that's because of left-wing bias - they DO show reason.com, which isn't a leftist outlet either. granted, it only shows up on page 11, but i assume that's because the major news outlets are prioritized. they don't show any leftist non-mainstream news outlets on the first page, either.
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i am in the netherlands, yes.

and yeah, i was thinking that too but then why is CNN the second result? are tons of people here reading CNN articles? maybe.
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in all fairness, i will say that it's curious that when i google "trump news" i only get fox on page 4 and sites that can't possibly be as popular as fox before that. for comparison's sake: CNN is the second result. doesn't mean trump is right as it's not like i don't get fox at all but yeah. (note that i don't live in the US so i have no idea if trump is right about how google in the US works.)
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Vlado posted...

Better to have an elected official decide that than unelected monopolies which are completely unaccountable to the public.

google and facebook aren't monopolies. there are plenty of other search engines and social networks, respectively.
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US rapidly approaching dictatorship territory with their president deciding what private companies "can" and "can't" publish.
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Vlado posted...

The majority is not "always right," but it is always a majority. Yes, you point out a major flaw of democracy. But since we operate in such a system currently, we should deal with it and use it as a tool for measurement.

poll results should never be the be-all and end-all tool for measurement, though. again, think for yourself, educate yourself on the subject and listen to what experts on the subject say. poll results can be a great component of the educating. but blindly trusting those results without thinking for yourself is always wrong.
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Vlado posted...

Who says whether it's "shit," if not your employer, the people of your country?!

people with common sense? just because the people of your country say you're doing a good job doesn't mean it's true. for instance, if you're the president of a country and you start printing tons of money and handing it to your people that would be disastrous in the long run. but obviously the people will love you (at least initially) because hey, free money.

populism is dumb, and so is "the majority is always right" logic. just because justin bieber is a super popular artist doesn't mean i'm "wrong" when i say he sucks. smart people with expertise and common sense should judge politicians, not ignorant people who don't know crap about politics (i.e. most people).

Yeah, that doesn't matter one bit.

it may not matter in the grand scheme of things but it's still disgusting.
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Vlado posted...

I am not saying that. But if you've got popular support, the people think you're doing your job well, which gives you the moral right to continue. Foreigners have no say, and that's how it has to be.

"even if you're doing a shit job, you should continue just because you've got popular support." great logic.

Ask them?

i don't need to ask them to know that the answer is "no."

Yeah, all that disgusting shit... Wait, there's nothing.

yeah, "grab 'em by the pussy" was a fine statement.
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Vlado posted...

Hindsight is 20/20.

sure. but just because people didn't initially realize how terrible hitler was (though even back then he had his detractors) doesn't mean he wasn't terrible. i'm saying your "if the inhabitants of a country support a politician, that politician is automatically great" logic is dumb and wrong. if the people have shit taste in politicians, they could easily support a shit politician. "globalist puppet" merkel is chancellor of germany - is she great just because the majority of the germans liked her enough to get her elected? come up with a better argument to defend duterte. this is bottom of the barrel sephyg-tier logic you obviously haven't thought about for more than 1 second.

And it's not like his views were hidden until he took power, he ran on a certain platform which a lot of people supported.

uh, yes, that's exactly what i was saying. his views were already known at the time, so did that make it ok for the germans to support him just because (according to you) he improved the economy? this is why i was making the comparison with trump. his supporters are always going "ECONOMY ECONOMY ECONOMY," as if trump (allegedly) improving the economy automatically excuses all the disgusting shit he spouts.
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Vlado posted...

That's natural. Before the war, his government had greatly improved the lives of the German people, which had hit rock bottom during Weimar.

even if that's true, did that make it ok for people to approve of hitler when he was already spouting antisemitic and discriminatory shit back then? (wow, it's almost like you can draw a parallel with a certain orange man.)
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yeah, it's not just that i disliked the character, it's also that all the stuff involving her was kinda boring and pointless (though i agree with han that solving the gauntlet plot hole by retconning it as a fake was cool). totally agree that junk planet should have been the focus.
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Vlado posted...

The man has over 80% approval among his people. Evidently, he's doing a good job. Your outsider's opinion does not matter.

yeah, hitler's approval rating among his people was also pretty high at one point.
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Vlado posted...

It's long since Seagal was associated with the poisonous environment of globalist-controlled hollywood.

uh... as the huge seagal fan you claim to be, you're aware that in the last several years he's still been acting in - and producing - hollywood movies, right? why the hell would he "not be associated with hollywood" now?
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regarding ragnarok, am i the only one who hated hela? i'm sure cate blanchett had fun but she was so ridiculously overacting. would have been more at home in a power rangers movie.

decent movie, though, but i don't love it as much as everyone else. i guess expected it to be as funny as, like, flight of the conchords and... it just wasn't. plenty of good jokes but also a lot that didn't quite work for me.
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i'm kinda busy right now. probably just going to post contentless bumps for about a week, unless there's some big news in the zappa universe.
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there's been a split in the democratic party for a long time between centrist "leftists" (obama) and more radical leftists (bernie, ocasio-cortez). it's like how in the republican party, you have a split between the alt-right and neocons. occasionally you'll even get a libertarian in there, like ron paul. when you only have two parties that matter (instead of a bunch, like in my country), those parties will end up containing people of wildly different ideologies.
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